What no "Left Behind" books???!!!???
Well, it was between the "Left Behind Series" and "Your Best Life Now."
How dare you compare Lehay and Osteen :) Wait, maybe he could drop Jenkins and Tim and Joel could write a book called. . . . . . . . . . .wait for it. . . . . . ."Your Best Behind Now"
Ric,I can tell you put a lot of thought into that one.
It's a gift. I do wish you would give Lehaye a chance :) Don't pick it apart line by line, word by word to try and understand it...but view it as a narrative from which you can know about the end times(like the bible).Come quickly Jesus!!
Ric,That made me laugh. Nicely done.
I just put Putting the Amazing Back into Grace on my Christmas list. Unfortunately I don't find a lot of time to read (books, rather than scripture) with a job and two small children to tend to. I'm curious what you think of Philip Yancey. His book "What's So Amazing about Grace" was very influential for me. It's been awhile since I read it though.
Mainline Mom,I like some of Yancy's stuff. His later work has become increasingly frustrating to me however as he seems to be embracing a form of open theism.You will love Horton's book. I was helped by it greatly.
Funny stuff ! I come here more for the comedy than anything else.Curious, Todd - what would be your "5 Books Church Members Keep Reading But I Wish They Would Stop Reading" ?
Harley,Good question.1. The Prayer of Jabez2. ANYTHING by Joel Osteen3. "" by Robert Schuller4. "" by Joyce Meyer5. "" by John "Wild at Heart" ElldredgeGood rule of thumb:If it's on the "Best Sellers" rack at a Christian book store then don't read it.
Ric,I get the joke... "giving LaHaye a chance..." how quickly we move from disagreement, to labels, to smugness which I find is so common a response among evangelicals...part of me says to not to be so sensitive about it; it is cyberspace afterall...but yeah, it hurt.
Mike,I find a lack of humor all too common among non-evangelicals. Did that really hurt?
Mike, I thought about it before I posted it b/c I figured you would see it and it wasn't exactly subtle. However, you are the one who has decided to turn scripture into literature. Therefore, the bible, the left behind series, the collection of Spurgeon's sermons, Kant, Einstein, etc are all equal. Why would you be hurt by it, you are the one willing to denegrade and belittle my faith to quickly label. I asked sincere questions and got sincere answers from you. The fact that I think your "belief" system is heretical is the result of that discussion. My comment was simply a satirical extension of what you apparently want me to subscribe to, that there is no truth, there is no salvation, there is no hell, there is nothing other than what I decide there is. You have just chosen to use a document entitled "The Bible" as your moral compass.
Ric,I have asked you to subscribe to nothing...I simply explained my views and how I got there. I don't care if you believe them or not. If you read my comments I would challenge you to find where I say there is no truth, no salvation, no hell. I said none of those things...you ascribed those to me...quite wrongly I might add. Reason I did not find it funny is because I spent considerable amount of time trying to explain my views in a rather hostile environment. Unfortunately both of you have chosen to be flippant about it...this just reinforces my beliefs about how conservative evangelicals act and think and I want no part of it...but hey when you have a lock on the truth (as both of you do) you can afford to be smug...my mistake.
Todd, I am not sure what to say to your response...I think it speaks for itself.
Mike,I am amazed at your definition of a hostile environment. Has no one ever challenged your beliefs? You certainly have not hesitated to challenge the beliefs expressed on this blog.One of the problems with pomo/emergents is that they believe pointing our error is mean and that identifying clear departures from God's holy Word is intollerant. I would challenge you to read through some of your comments to see if there is any "smugness" present.
Believe me, still being part of an evangelical church, my beliefs get challenged all the time...I do not care about that...in fact being challenged helps me think through my beliefs and to see where I need to express them better...you have helped me in this way...what I do not care for is a condescending attitude that often comes along with it...or when people say that I said (or inferred) something that I did not. I am open to the fact that I may be unclear or wrong on some points...but if I have come off as smug or superior in any way (and in re-reading some of my comments I can see how they might be taken that way) in all humility I ask your forgiveness.Mike
Hi Todd,Can I ask what your objections are to John Elldredge? I've never read any of his books, but several of my friends have recommended "Wild At Heart."
Matt,Great to hear from you!There are several problems with Elldredge.1. He tends toward open theism. He has a very low view of God's sovereignty.2. His view of revelation (not the book) is skewed. He claims to hear God speaking to him in movies, nature etc.Go to Tim Challies' blog and read his fairly extensive reviews of Elldredge's books.blessings,todd
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